I don’t believe they were doing massages. They were handing out towels and stuff (soap, shampoo, whatever) to the female spa visitors. That’s why Ghislaine was so insidious. She struck up conversations with the girls and invited them to come to Epstein’s place to “discuss” becoming models.
I am suddenly struck with the shuddering thought that this goes on all over the world by many other people of wealth and power. The only redeeming notion is that only 1% of the world has this wealth and power. I'm sure, though, its tentacles reach and exploit as many of us as it can.
I read she worked at the spa as a locker room attendant, not as a massuse. A massage therapist requires training and licensure...not something a teen would be able to have. On the other hand, a lot of people don't believe in playing by the rules😞
Women should be running the world. Men have fked everything up for too long. The patriarchy must die. Make way for the rise of the female. We get good shit done!
Our Nations (the real Americans) included the women to make major decisions. The 7 Generation Rule was the go-to; how is this decision going to affect the next 7 Generations? Not how much money can I stuff on my pockets…
I get the creeps even imagining being kissed by those lips against my will. Icky. Just because we are female no longer makes us a commodity to be stolen, sold, or enslaved -- even if lingering traditions still suggest we are.
Hmm. Maybe it's time to look into stomping out those traditions: the giving and taking in marriage; the value-added aspect of virginity; the phrase "man and wife" rather than "husband and wife"; fighting over a woman; --
We raised our children to be equal in a relationship. Thinking for themselves, valuing what is brought into a partnership, and value the relationship. It matters not what gender they are drawn to, the value is building together; not one being the owner over the other.
What a beautiful way to raise children! I only wish every child has the opportunity to understand (and live and love) equality. I was raised much the same, born in 1955, to parents that were PARTNERS, thankfully.
Agree, it is a great way to empower our offspring. You are fortunate to have parents to help in this, especially at a time when women had to rely on men for housing and credit. With a supportive family, this needs no longer be an issue.
Our doors are always open to our children, and they have by far exceeded our expectations of them. It does help to not push them out of tge nest before they are capable of caring for themselves.
I was born in 1955, and my parents were awful -- their parenting style consisted of humiliation, beatings, and trying to control everything, including my hairstyle. I left home as soon as I could, which was before I was ready. I learned a lot of things the hard way but now at almost 70, I feel like I can handle anything. Anything.
My parents were effing dreadful. Dad liked looking at me naked while I showered and wanted to keep doing so. I hated it, it was creepy, so at about 11 or 12 years old I started showering only when he was soundly asleep.
Mother said one day that this disappointed him; if I went back to letting him watch me shower he'd give her money and she'd take me out shopping and buy me "frilly underwear".
That day I was stricken homeless. Still lived in their house for a few years but no longer felt safe; left at 17 to go to college on scholarships. Was hacked into over and over for not doing what I was told. So the exhumation of this whole Epstein business is a nightmare.
Please God and Friends, work hard to make those responsible sit up and be sorry and the victims given all possible relief.
The South Korean Four B movement is having a big effect on their patriarchal society. It advocates for no dating, no sex, no marriage, and no babies and it is spreading worldwide because it's an idea whose time has come. There are so GD many mediocre and awful men out there. I finally found a good one, but I had to kiss a fkton of frogs first. If anything happens to him, I am getting a cat. A female cat.
And yet there are some leaders, no doubt even in South Korea, that are freaking out about this and trying to bribe people into having more babies, even in supposedly Communist countries where they aren't raising people to buy crap from capitalist corporations (or maybe just "buy" into Communism; goodness knows, it's easier to "sell" just about anything to young, naive kids).
Perhaps to, as George Carlin put it, raise 'til military age? :-/ "Conservatives want live babies so they can raise 'em to be dead soldiers."
And it's not just Russia or North Korea along those lines, apparently... :-/
At least with other civilized countries around the world -- hmm. Rephrase that... "At least with civilized countries around the world," some care is being taken to think about an aging population and take care of them (maybe that's why they want more kids? I don't get it...). Here, as we've already seen, we're gonna get hung out to dry the minute we're allowed to/forced to retire if we don't have at least 9 zeroes after a digit to our names. X-P
The joy is seeing #Felon47 and its regime squirm when truth is presented. The hope is that we get to watch karma balances. It's not an easy thing to find humor in. Thanks to you comedians, it helps. 🍿 ❤️
Agree! It’s sickening and scary being a female in the world and a survivor myself, most importantly, I’m terrified for my young daughters. With Diddy, Trump, Epstein, and so many more rich, powerful men there are no consequences for their actions. Brave victims muster up the courage to go to court and testify and then they are erased like their hell never happened. Trump is virtually invincible as he’s done so many illegal acts for years and on a regular basis these days and literally nothing happens. If there were any other president in office, they would’ve been impeached and in prison by now. The good news is that Trump Stein is geriatric and won’t be on this earth that much longer. That leaves up with us with all of the pathetic Republicans that were his puppy dogs.
I listened to your podcast yesterday with Tam (?) and Jesus and I loved it. I'm old and have a difficult time tuning in sometimes. Also, I'm a pagan (witch) and I hope your guest gets her sweet baby. I know she'll be a great mother. "The currents of the Universal Being circulate through me..." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Trump sees women as property and couldn’t care about whether they are being abused or in danger. Exactly what was his understanding of the “employment” that Epstein was “stealing” them to do? Were there any “male” employees Epstein stole? So many questions with answers that lead to one conclusion. He knew.
Here's my take, when I heard him talking about Virginia and someone taking her away from him I said "Guilty as sin!" He has finally signed that "deal" with the Devil! You know the one that will never, ever go away, no matter how many documents they altar or pictures they erase!
What the hell kind of spa was he running at mar-a-lago that had UNDERAGE GIRLS WORKING AS MASSAGE THERAPISTS?????
My question exactly. When I was 16, my only job options involved fast food and/or babysitting.
My thoughts exactly. Is the spa at Mar-a-lago a spa or is it a "spa"? Maybe someone should investigate that.
I’m sure the Floreda Department of Labor will get •right• on the job!
A highly disgusting and elicit set-up for degenerate clientele…men with power and money and clearly NO MORALS.
Great question Ruth!
I don’t believe they were doing massages. They were handing out towels and stuff (soap, shampoo, whatever) to the female spa visitors. That’s why Ghislaine was so insidious. She struck up conversations with the girls and invited them to come to Epstein’s place to “discuss” becoming models.
I got this from court testimony by one of the (poor) girls. 💔
An illegal kidnapping of underage girls kind of spa.
You know the Epstein kind!
Virginia Giuffre was employed there as a “towel girl” (shudder).
Right? Man, he's SUCH a vile monster. A stupid one who's jaw flaps an endless stream of bullshit, but a monster nonetheless.
The kind who prey on poor or desperate people with beautiful young daughters.
I am suddenly struck with the shuddering thought that this goes on all over the world by many other people of wealth and power. The only redeeming notion is that only 1% of the world has this wealth and power. I'm sure, though, its tentacles reach and exploit as many of us as it can.
Her father worked there as the maintenance manager. That's how she got "sucked in" there, too.
I think you know the answer to this.
I read she worked at the spa as a locker room attendant, not as a massuse. A massage therapist requires training and licensure...not something a teen would be able to have. On the other hand, a lot of people don't believe in playing by the rules😞
Is the tenth circle of hell ready yet, God?
I think the 10th Circle should have an entrance ramp...and NO Exit.
I'm sure it will be ready as soon as Drump dies. He'll be the very first one that goes there.
Like having the Amusement Park aaaallll to himself...and Satan of course.
Aye, though t'will be Satan who will have most of the amusement.
Plenty of fat to throw on the fire.,,
Aye
Screw the tenth, jump straight to the eleventh.
There’s not a literal 10th circle in Dante’s Inferno being inferred to as the area outside of Dis.
Good enough for me!
Classic article, from 1998!
https://theonion.com/tenth-circle-added-to-rapidly-growing-hell-1819564878/
It feels like most of what is going on around us doesn't even seem real. It feels like we're trapped in the Twilight Zone.
And not in a really cool episode with a "Wow, never saw THAT coming! How unexpectedly cool! :D" kind of ending... :-/
Nope. This isn't one of the great ones like, To Serve Man or Deaths-Head Revisited. This is the worst episode ever.......
Just believe the women!
Women should be running this country.
Women should be running the world. Men have fked everything up for too long. The patriarchy must die. Make way for the rise of the female. We get good shit done!
Our Nations (the real Americans) included the women to make major decisions. The 7 Generation Rule was the go-to; how is this decision going to affect the next 7 Generations? Not how much money can I stuff on my pockets…
...in this financial quarter. X-P
🙏
Hmm, makes me think that the "spa" at Mar a Lago may be catering to pedophiles too.
I get the creeps even imagining being kissed by those lips against my will. Icky. Just because we are female no longer makes us a commodity to be stolen, sold, or enslaved -- even if lingering traditions still suggest we are.
Hmm. Maybe it's time to look into stomping out those traditions: the giving and taking in marriage; the value-added aspect of virginity; the phrase "man and wife" rather than "husband and wife"; fighting over a woman; --
We raised our children to be equal in a relationship. Thinking for themselves, valuing what is brought into a partnership, and value the relationship. It matters not what gender they are drawn to, the value is building together; not one being the owner over the other.
It's a start.
What a beautiful way to raise children! I only wish every child has the opportunity to understand (and live and love) equality. I was raised much the same, born in 1955, to parents that were PARTNERS, thankfully.
Agree, it is a great way to empower our offspring. You are fortunate to have parents to help in this, especially at a time when women had to rely on men for housing and credit. With a supportive family, this needs no longer be an issue.
Our doors are always open to our children, and they have by far exceeded our expectations of them. It does help to not push them out of tge nest before they are capable of caring for themselves.
So did we, and, in time, so did they. My parents did a pretty good job of it, for the 1950s.
I was born in 1955, and my parents were awful -- their parenting style consisted of humiliation, beatings, and trying to control everything, including my hairstyle. I left home as soon as I could, which was before I was ready. I learned a lot of things the hard way but now at almost 70, I feel like I can handle anything. Anything.
You must have had amazing parents way ahead of their time.
My parents were effing dreadful. Dad liked looking at me naked while I showered and wanted to keep doing so. I hated it, it was creepy, so at about 11 or 12 years old I started showering only when he was soundly asleep.
Mother said one day that this disappointed him; if I went back to letting him watch me shower he'd give her money and she'd take me out shopping and buy me "frilly underwear".
That day I was stricken homeless. Still lived in their house for a few years but no longer felt safe; left at 17 to go to college on scholarships. Was hacked into over and over for not doing what I was told. So the exhumation of this whole Epstein business is a nightmare.
Please God and Friends, work hard to make those responsible sit up and be sorry and the victims given all possible relief.
The South Korean Four B movement is having a big effect on their patriarchal society. It advocates for no dating, no sex, no marriage, and no babies and it is spreading worldwide because it's an idea whose time has come. There are so GD many mediocre and awful men out there. I finally found a good one, but I had to kiss a fkton of frogs first. If anything happens to him, I am getting a cat. A female cat.
And yet there are some leaders, no doubt even in South Korea, that are freaking out about this and trying to bribe people into having more babies, even in supposedly Communist countries where they aren't raising people to buy crap from capitalist corporations (or maybe just "buy" into Communism; goodness knows, it's easier to "sell" just about anything to young, naive kids).
Perhaps to, as George Carlin put it, raise 'til military age? :-/ "Conservatives want live babies so they can raise 'em to be dead soldiers."
And it's not just Russia or North Korea along those lines, apparently... :-/
At least with other civilized countries around the world -- hmm. Rephrase that... "At least with civilized countries around the world," some care is being taken to think about an aging population and take care of them (maybe that's why they want more kids? I don't get it...). Here, as we've already seen, we're gonna get hung out to dry the minute we're allowed to/forced to retire if we don't have at least 9 zeroes after a digit to our names. X-P
Gross! You just made me throw up a little! Thinking about those creeps makes my skin crawl.
"He stole her from me."
Like the girls were some sort of possession, not human, not their own person.
I am foreseeing his dementia bringing him down & the more this continues and his approval ratings drop, the more demented he'll become.
The joy is seeing #Felon47 and its regime squirm when truth is presented. The hope is that we get to watch karma balances. It's not an easy thing to find humor in. Thanks to you comedians, it helps. 🍿 ❤️
Is it a sin to enjoy evil being put where they belong? 🔥
Karma is SUCH a Bitch. 😁
No insult to Bitches.
Or Germans; anyone who can come up with the term "schadenfreude" has got something going for them! :D
How soon will you send Donald Trumpstein to Hell? Soon I hope.
He outright says things that prove his guilt and no one does anything about it!
Agree! It’s sickening and scary being a female in the world and a survivor myself, most importantly, I’m terrified for my young daughters. With Diddy, Trump, Epstein, and so many more rich, powerful men there are no consequences for their actions. Brave victims muster up the courage to go to court and testify and then they are erased like their hell never happened. Trump is virtually invincible as he’s done so many illegal acts for years and on a regular basis these days and literally nothing happens. If there were any other president in office, they would’ve been impeached and in prison by now. The good news is that Trump Stein is geriatric and won’t be on this earth that much longer. That leaves up with us with all of the pathetic Republicans that were his puppy dogs.
I listened to your podcast yesterday with Tam (?) and Jesus and I loved it. I'm old and have a difficult time tuning in sometimes. Also, I'm a pagan (witch) and I hope your guest gets her sweet baby. I know she'll be a great mother. "The currents of the Universal Being circulate through me..." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Ewww. Sounds like a "happy ending" massage parlor.
Yeah...that's exactly what it sounds like...gross
An eternity in everlasting Hell is too good for this pedophile President.
Eternity in Hell means Trump soul will survive him.
I want Trump's soul to be obliviated. Annihilated. So that Trump no longer exists, ANYWHERE.
We should be so lucky. 🤮
No, his soul should still exist, so he can be punished FOREVER!
Trump sees women as property and couldn’t care about whether they are being abused or in danger. Exactly what was his understanding of the “employment” that Epstein was “stealing” them to do? Were there any “male” employees Epstein stole? So many questions with answers that lead to one conclusion. He knew.
Here's my take, when I heard him talking about Virginia and someone taking her away from him I said "Guilty as sin!" He has finally signed that "deal" with the Devil! You know the one that will never, ever go away, no matter how many documents they altar or pictures they erase!
Dear God,
No Chill Hell for him!!!
Love,
me